I certainly never knew Charlie Kirk personally. I didn’t really follow Turning Point USA. His politics and mine didn’t really seem to have much in common. I would see some of his videos pop up occasionally and he usually had something interesting to say that pushed back against the insanity of the left.
My first real knowledge of Charlie was when the groypers came on scene and challenged Charlie on immigration. I think that someone on AmRen had posted a scene of some groyper at one of the “Culture War” conferences confronting Charlie Kirk on some immigration issue possibly involving race. Nick Fuentes must have posted the video because his mug kept popping up in the middle of some of the scenes so he (Fuentes) could cheer on what the student groyper was saying. Frankly, I was more aligned with the groypers politically than with Charlie Kirk, but the groypers’ manners and style I found off putting. In this video here, starting around four and a half minutes in, Charlie champions the EB5 visa for immigrants. As Michelle Malkin previously reported, the EB5 visa program was full of fraud. The idea was that immigrants would invest at least $500,000 in business in the United States and this would allow them to have a green card. Immigrants were putting down token fees and signing promisory notes that they would pay the rest later…which of course they never did. I’m still such an immigration hardliner that I don’t care if a rich person can buy their way into the United States. I don’t see my country as merely an economic zone, but an actual nation with a common people. Something that is falling apart. In any case, a lot of the EB5 money was being invested in things like hotels and motels owned and staffed by foreigners. Immigration benefits the immigrants themselves, and the wealthy. In this case with the EB5, the immigrant and the wealthy person were one and the same. The program didn’t benefit regular working class Americans.
In the same video I linked to above, Charlie Kirk says, “If you graduate from a United States university with a skill upon graduation on your diploma we should staple a green card behind your diploma.” (Around minute 10). Dear Charlie, I couldn’t disagree with you more. As result of things like that, I simply didn’t follow Charlie Kirk over the last few years. I pretty much ignored him. After all, he was trying to convert college kids to conservatism and I was not a college kid.
In addition, I was in many ways a conservative blue dog Democrat back when that was a thing. I voted for Bill Clinton twice. Why? Because Clinton at least talked tough on the border (I believe his AG Janet Reno actually believed in a secure border even if he didn’t). Because Clinton supported putting more police on the streets. Because my mother raised me to be pro-choice. Abortion may be immoral, but so is adultery and we don’t put people in prison for that. Especially in cases of rape, I think it would be a second victimization of the woman to not only be raped but forced to carry her rapist’s child to term. I remember reading a story about a woman in Africa who gave birth after being raped and all she could see each time she looked at the baby was the face of her rapist. Needless to say, the child grew up all kinds of messed up. As for gun control, I support some forms of it. I grew up in Paris at a time when gun crime was virtually non-existent. Thanks to the blessings of diversity, immivaders coming from war zones have managed to smuggle in firearms and make France much more unsafe than it had been. See the Bataclan theatre attack. I realize that in America, it would be impossible to get rid of all the guns we have. Firearms don’t rot like food does. They can stick around for centuries. (We have an old blunderbuss of some sort on my parents’ mantle piece). Socially, I’m liberal. I don’t care if two gays want to get married, just keep it away from me.
If it weren’t for the issues of immigration and law & order, I’d probably vote Democrat. Yet, I believe immigration is the most important issue of the day, and we need less of it. I want an immigration moratorium. If possible, I’d like to see remigration. Please go home.
When he was questioned at Ohio State University, one of the Groypers asked Charlie the following question: “According to the U.S. Census Bureau population projections, in 2045 whites will account for less than 50 percent of the population of the United States. Given that the Democratic Party’s policies do not point toward the maintaining of our American ideals and given that most groups other than whites overwhelmingly vote Democrat, how can we be sure that said American ideals will be maintained when millions of immigrants come in with majority Democratic support? Can you prove that our white, European ideals can be maintained if the country’s majority is no longer made up of white, European descendants? If not, should we support mass illegal immigration?” (Starting at about 28:50 of the video).
Above, racist fascist Charlie Kirk with gay black conservative answering groyper questions.
Charlie Kirk goes on to claim that the student’s question is itself racist and that we can convert non-whites to the conservative viewpoint. Essentially, Charlie makes the case that America is not so much a country as it is an idea. That’s something with which I very much disagree. I believe that America was founded to protect a people. The Constitution was written for “…ourselves and our posterity…”, not as an abstract idea. Because my ancestors came to the new world on the Mayflower, we had been here for 150 years before the American Revolution broke out. When the war started, we fought under the Articles of Confederation. We would have kept going under those Articles after the war, but, there was too much infighting. So, the Articles of Confederation were scrapped, and a new document, the U.S. Constitution was written. That Constitution was written for a specific people, not for the entire globe. In his response to the above question, Kirk claims that the black community is an inherently conservative one, something I find ludicrous. The majority of blacks do not vote that way at all. Kirk, “I do not believe that America should become a white ethnostate…” Yet, that is exactly how the United States was founded. Look at the Nationality Act of 1790. As originally envisioned, they only wanted “…free white persons of good character” to be citizens. Also, it doesn’t mean I hate non-whites. I’m just giving the historical reasons why the country came into being in the first place, to protect a specific people.
So, I was surprised to hear Charlie Kirk “evolving” away from being a more Neocon conservative towards being a truly America first perspective. He finally said that we need an immigration moratorium.
Despite starting off his career blindly defending Israel, later, Charlie Kirk called out Israel for having too much influence over American politicians. Charlie Kirk, “I have less ability… to criticize the Israeli government than actual Israelis do. And that’s really, really weird.” So, while I don’t believe Israel assassinated Charlie Kirk, I can see how some conspiracy theorists might want to believe it so.
By no means do I think that Charlie Kirk won every argument he got into. However, he was a good debater and from what I hear, a nice person. He did manage to convert a lot of people to conservatism. He exposed some of the most egregious parts of the left with their open borders, and men in women’s sports. He stood up to DEI and reparations payments. Towards, the end, he realized the “Great Replacement Theory” was actually the great replacement reality. (All you have to do is look at the census to see it’s real. The United Nations calls it “replacement migration” and Democrats herald the “browning of America”). The detractors from this reality have to gaslight that it isn’t in fact happening.
Charlie Kirk’s Turning Point USA employed homosexuals, and blacks like Candace Owens. He was not a homophobe or a racist. He even had a USA Black Leadership Summit.
Just because he was against reparations does not mean he hated black people.
Charlie Kirk did say that the 1964 Civil Rights act was a huge mistake, and I have to agree. It was a step in legislating morality (something Democrats used to be against) and it superseded the Constitution by taking away the 1st Amendment’s freedom of assembly. Barry Goldwater’s critique of it, claiming that it would usher in a sort of police state to enforce it, was also prescient. Goldwater also said it would lead to preferential treatment, and so it has.
Charlie Kirk appeared to be moving more to the right. He started noticing things like black crime. That’s not racist, it’s a reality. Not surprisingly, he was assassinated by a tranny loving confused young man who was full of hate.
20 year veteran of the U.S. Border Patrol. Author of "What Bridge Do You Work At? Or, Kids Are Cute; Therefore, Open Borders" & "East into the Sunset: Memories of patrolling in the Rio Grande Valley at the turn of the century". Books are available at Amazon, Barnes and Noble, as well as Thrift Books.
Master's Degree in Justice, Law and Society from American University.
Grew up partly in Europe.
